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	<title>Comments on: Shooting with a White Background</title>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.gregrphoto.com/blog/2007/01/14/shooting-with-a-white-background/comment-page-1/#comment-22704</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK you for the detailed and pleasant article.  I love the reflection from the shiny plexi floor. Cool idea.  My vow for this year is to minimise my computer time.  I&#039;ll let you know how I get on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK you for the detailed and pleasant article.  I love the reflection from the shiny plexi floor. Cool idea.  My vow for this year is to minimise my computer time.  I&#8217;ll let you know how I get on!</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One tip for checking if there are any areas of the background that aren&#039;t pure white is create a new curve layer. Click about 1/3 up on the curve and drag right down to the bottom this will REALLy darken any near whites and allow you to easily dodge them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One tip for checking if there are any areas of the background that aren&#8217;t pure white is create a new curve layer. Click about 1/3 up on the curve and drag right down to the bottom this will REALLy darken any near whites and allow you to easily dodge them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Newbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Newbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,
Have you ever shot family groups on a white screen, I am a school photographer  I use open flash on the background white pvc 10ft wide with a 24ft drop x2 esprit 250 @ f11-16 the subject is about 3ft away from the screen, main light about 7ft from the subject esprit 500@f8 fill in 8ft away esprit 500@f5.6.
problem shaddow in the fore ground, any answers as no one has an answer
regards Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,<br />
Have you ever shot family groups on a white screen, I am a school photographer  I use open flash on the background white pvc 10ft wide with a 24ft drop x2 esprit 250 @ f11-16 the subject is about 3ft away from the screen, main light about 7ft from the subject esprit 500@f8 fill in 8ft away esprit 500@f5.6.<br />
problem shaddow in the fore ground, any answers as no one has an answer<br />
regards Ian</p>
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		<title>By: D. Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, one other thing to mention - the floor of the conference center has very lo-nap industrial carpeting so if I tape together pieces to make up the &quot;shiny floor&quot; they&#039;d need to be big / sturdy enough that the weight of the subject in the chair doesn&#039;t crack them.

I have access to a U-Haul on Saturday to pick up foamcore, tileboard or plexi for this so I&#039;m hoping to hear some thoughts before that if at all possible. 

The good thing about getting plexi although expensive is that I can get that cut to size, I think. I don&#039;t think Home Depot will cut the tileboard but I can always ask. So, if the tileboard is cheaper and comes in 4x8, maybe I can get it professionally cut to 4x4. I have no doubt that if I try to cut it, I&#039;ll mangle it. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one other thing to mention &#8211; the floor of the conference center has very lo-nap industrial carpeting so if I tape together pieces to make up the &#8220;shiny floor&#8221; they&#8217;d need to be big / sturdy enough that the weight of the subject in the chair doesn&#8217;t crack them.</p>
<p>I have access to a U-Haul on Saturday to pick up foamcore, tileboard or plexi for this so I&#8217;m hoping to hear some thoughts before that if at all possible. </p>
<p>The good thing about getting plexi although expensive is that I can get that cut to size, I think. I don&#8217;t think Home Depot will cut the tileboard but I can always ask. So, if the tileboard is cheaper and comes in 4&#215;8, maybe I can get it professionally cut to 4&#215;4. I have no doubt that if I try to cut it, I&#8217;ll mangle it. Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

Thanks for this informative entry and all your guidance.  I&#039;ve previously done full-length on white in studio with 4x8 V-flats to block light from the subject but I&#039;ve never tried plexi or tile board on the floor to keep it looking white. I&#039;m eager to try that so it will look just right.

Here&#039;s my challenge - In several weeks I have to shoot full-length on white on location in a large conference center as well as full-body sitting in a chair against white. I&#039;ve never had to drag this whole thing on-location before. The budget is for me and one assistant and we have to be able to use a couple of handcarts to bring things in. So I have to think carefully of only bringing what I need yet having everything I need. Luckily the white seamless will already be there.

The point is that I can&#039;t drag 4x8 flats, big plexi or big tileboard through their offices (I&#039;d need a truck!) so I&#039;m trying to figure out a way to modify materials and/or the set-up so as to still get good results. I&#039;d appreciate any suggestions.

To block the light from the subject I&#039;m thinking to glue 3/16&quot; thick black to white foamcore in a size that I can clamp to stands (rather than use the 4x8 freestanding V-flats). Do you think that will block well enough? I could also use some Fotoflex PVC frames (see  here: http://tinyurl.com/dywyr3) for this purpose although they do take up a lot of room in my stands bag. 

I haven&#039;t come up with a substitute for the floor part (plexi / tileboard) though. Can either be cut into smaller pieces and taped together with white tape once on location? I&#039;m thinking I&#039;d rather Photoshop some seams on the floor and have it look right as opposed to having the whole floor area look grey. Also, I am concerned with spending all kinds of money just to end up with a lot of pieces I can&#039;t use for much else. The tileboard is cheaper so that may be the way to go but perhaps you or another reader can advise how to cut it without wreaking it or ending up with all raggedy-ugly edges as the white surface doesn&#039;t go all the way through.

Well, sorry for the long post. I&#039;d sure appreciate your input or that of any of your proficient readers. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>Thanks for this informative entry and all your guidance.  I&#8217;ve previously done full-length on white in studio with 4&#215;8 V-flats to block light from the subject but I&#8217;ve never tried plexi or tile board on the floor to keep it looking white. I&#8217;m eager to try that so it will look just right.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my challenge &#8211; In several weeks I have to shoot full-length on white on location in a large conference center as well as full-body sitting in a chair against white. I&#8217;ve never had to drag this whole thing on-location before. The budget is for me and one assistant and we have to be able to use a couple of handcarts to bring things in. So I have to think carefully of only bringing what I need yet having everything I need. Luckily the white seamless will already be there.</p>
<p>The point is that I can&#8217;t drag 4&#215;8 flats, big plexi or big tileboard through their offices (I&#8217;d need a truck!) so I&#8217;m trying to figure out a way to modify materials and/or the set-up so as to still get good results. I&#8217;d appreciate any suggestions.</p>
<p>To block the light from the subject I&#8217;m thinking to glue 3/16&#8243; thick black to white foamcore in a size that I can clamp to stands (rather than use the 4&#215;8 freestanding V-flats). Do you think that will block well enough? I could also use some Fotoflex PVC frames (see  here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/dywyr3)" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/dywyr3)</a> for this purpose although they do take up a lot of room in my stands bag. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t come up with a substitute for the floor part (plexi / tileboard) though. Can either be cut into smaller pieces and taped together with white tape once on location? I&#8217;m thinking I&#8217;d rather Photoshop some seams on the floor and have it look right as opposed to having the whole floor area look grey. Also, I am concerned with spending all kinds of money just to end up with a lot of pieces I can&#8217;t use for much else. The tileboard is cheaper so that may be the way to go but perhaps you or another reader can advise how to cut it without wreaking it or ending up with all raggedy-ugly edges as the white surface doesn&#8217;t go all the way through.</p>
<p>Well, sorry for the long post. I&#8217;d sure appreciate your input or that of any of your proficient readers. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: gregr</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marsha: hard to tell from the description, but a few things jumped out at me.

First, if your ceiling-mounted lights are very close to the backdrop, it&#039;s going to be hard to get even lighting across the whole backdrop.  You can probably prove this to yourself by checking all around the backdrop with a light meter.

In the end, though, the key is to light the background and the subject separately.  If you&#039;re trying to light the background with ceiling lights at the camera position, say, you&#039;ve got to ensure that they don&#039;t light your subject.  Once you have background and subject light separated, and you&#039;ve lit the background evenly, then it&#039;s just a matter of adjusting the overall lighting levels as described in the post.

Hope that helps...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marsha: hard to tell from the description, but a few things jumped out at me.</p>
<p>First, if your ceiling-mounted lights are very close to the backdrop, it&#8217;s going to be hard to get even lighting across the whole backdrop.  You can probably prove this to yourself by checking all around the backdrop with a light meter.</p>
<p>In the end, though, the key is to light the background and the subject separately.  If you&#8217;re trying to light the background with ceiling lights at the camera position, say, you&#8217;ve got to ensure that they don&#8217;t light your subject.  Once you have background and subject light separated, and you&#8217;ve lit the background evenly, then it&#8217;s just a matter of adjusting the overall lighting levels as described in the post.</p>
<p>Hope that helps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marsha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my studio I have 2 lights above mounted to the ceiling just infront of my backdrops; then I have a softbox; I have another set of lights mounted on the ceiling just above where my camera is; plus a light that is mounted behind me as a fill light; PLUS a floor light.  NOW  When I take pictures on a white background my white looks gray and my subject 9/10 times is blown out also.  My floor is a brown carpet.  HELP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my studio I have 2 lights above mounted to the ceiling just infront of my backdrops; then I have a softbox; I have another set of lights mounted on the ceiling just above where my camera is; plus a light that is mounted behind me as a fill light; PLUS a floor light.  NOW  When I take pictures on a white background my white looks gray and my subject 9/10 times is blown out also.  My floor is a brown carpet.  HELP</p>
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		<title>By: gregr</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asterix: assuming your floor material is highly reflective (I didn&#039;t catch what it is in your setup), then the angle of the camera to the floor, as compared to the incidence of background light on the floor, makes a difference.  However, if you&#039;ve moved your eye around and still aren&#039;t seeing an adequate reflection, this might not be the problem.

You might temporarily try removing your V-flats, or at least moving them further to the sides, and see if that makes a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asterix: assuming your floor material is highly reflective (I didn&#8217;t catch what it is in your setup), then the angle of the camera to the floor, as compared to the incidence of background light on the floor, makes a difference.  However, if you&#8217;ve moved your eye around and still aren&#8217;t seeing an adequate reflection, this might not be the problem.</p>
<p>You might temporarily try removing your V-flats, or at least moving them further to the sides, and see if that makes a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Asterix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asterix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I will try that.  However, I do not understand how raising the floor (using a plaftorm) will help eliminate the level of light on it?  I do not have a problem with the edge of the tile on the floor - that one blends perfectly such that I cannot find it in the final picture straight out of the camera.
My issue is with the fact that the floor under and in front of the subject will not be the same &#039;white&#039; as the background.  Maybe raising the background lights and pointing them down a bit will help; or removing the curve at the bottom of the seamless such that the light reflected will point more towards the ground...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I will try that.  However, I do not understand how raising the floor (using a plaftorm) will help eliminate the level of light on it?  I do not have a problem with the edge of the tile on the floor &#8211; that one blends perfectly such that I cannot find it in the final picture straight out of the camera.<br />
My issue is with the fact that the floor under and in front of the subject will not be the same &#8216;white&#8217; as the background.  Maybe raising the background lights and pointing them down a bit will help; or removing the curve at the bottom of the seamless such that the light reflected will point more towards the ground&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gregr</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asterix: there are a few factors to think about.  It doesn&#039;t look like your subject is too far away from the background, so we&#039;ll eliminate that.

First, try moving your eye up and down, while watching the floor.  You want to make sure the light from the background is really reflecting off the floor, up to the camera position.

And second, I mentioned using a platform; you might try this.  I&#039;ve found it much easier, and more reliable, to have the model on a platform when shooting this sort of a setup; it eliminates the need to try to perfectly light your background all the way to the floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asterix: there are a few factors to think about.  It doesn&#8217;t look like your subject is too far away from the background, so we&#8217;ll eliminate that.</p>
<p>First, try moving your eye up and down, while watching the floor.  You want to make sure the light from the background is really reflecting off the floor, up to the camera position.</p>
<p>And second, I mentioned using a platform; you might try this.  I&#8217;ve found it much easier, and more reliable, to have the model on a platform when shooting this sort of a setup; it eliminates the need to try to perfectly light your background all the way to the floor.</p>
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